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tzfbird 03-04-2010 05:02 AM

A140 transmission repair
 
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Read through first and make sure you are comfortable with attempting this repair or diagnosis. Prior transmission work would be a good idea.

Before starting, be sure you have a clean area to perform this repair.

**KEEP EVERYTHING IN ORDER AND KEEP THE GRABBY ASSISTANT OR NEIGHBOR'S HANDS OFF OR SOMETHING WILL GET SCREWED UP!**

It may be possible to perform this without draining all the fluid since you really don't need to remove the pan, but it would most definately prevent any spills should the transmission become tipped in the wrong direction.

PARTS LIST from www.wittrans.com
Qty: 4 WA67106C FRI. A140/A240 DIRECT/O. 2.08ea.
Qty: 4 WA67122A STEEL. A130/A140/A240 FO 1.41ea.
Total for replacing this clutch set was $28.96 shipped to my door. Depending on which set is bad, they list inside or outside diameters of parts as well as teeth counts, so if different clutches are bad you should be able to find the ones you need on there for roughly the same price.
All in all a car can be possibly taken from junk to repaired for under $30 in a weekend.

Before removing transmission: Wash down transmission as best you can. Drain fluid.
After removing transmission:
1. Pull off torque converter and drain differential if you cannot plug the drivers side hole on the differential.

2. Stand transmission up so the pump is pointing up(Pump is behind the torque converter).
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3. On the side of the case behind the cooler lines you will see a round recess with an X in it.
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Make sure there is not a lot of dirt on it. Remove the internal snap ring. It may require a few light taps with a punch to loosen it, but you should be able to use a pair of pliers and twist/lift it from the case. This is the band apply piston. Pull out the piston and spring. Keep them in order of removal
(large spring->piston->cover->snapring)
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4. Take all the bolts loose holding the pump in.
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You'll need to use two of the bolts(14mm head) that bolt the trans to engine block. You'll see two holes that are threaded on the pump.
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Carefully screw the bolt in by hand until it stops. **CAREFULLY** give
each bolt a turn to pull the pump out of the case. It should not require much pressure to pull remove the pump.


5. Set the pump aside after removal with the outside facing down because you'll be setting the following parts on top of it to keep them in order.
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6. The band should now be loose enough to remove first hub assembly and set it on top of the pump.
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Be sure to keep it's orientation the same with the pump(closed end towards pump). Inspect the frictions and steels in this hub. They should be a tan or very light brown in color. When we get to the second hub I'll explain in more detail looking at the the clutch frictions/steels.
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7. The next hub assembly will contin another clutch pack. This was burned up on this particular transmission.
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At this point you should be left with the case looking like this and all clutch packs should be removed except for the one in the end of the case.
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I looked at that one first and it was tricky getting the cover back on. If you've looked through everything and it all looks good you can take a look inside there. I'm not going to get into looking at that because you just remove all the bolts and it lifts off. The cover sets back on, but a lot of wiggling/jiggling and praying gets it back on in a timely manner.

1. After locating burned clutch pack, remove snap ring in order to access frictions and steels. Make sure you keep them in order because some steels are thicker than others. These are the pressure apply plates.
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For reassembly, perform steps above in reverse order. Document the work you do if you feel you may not remember how to put things back together.


When putting the hubs back into the transmission you'll need to use a twisting motion in order to get the frictions into alignment. You must make sure everything is completely seated together or things will not fit back together. You should not need to use any force other than gravity to get things back together. When you get to the point of installing the pump, you'll need to lube the seal around the pump and gently push it into the case. Making sure the bolt holes line up correctly hand start the pump bolts into the case if possible. You'll then need to sequentially use the pump bolts to slowly draw the pump back into the case. If at any time a bolt becomes hard to turn STOP and investigate the problem. When the pump is fully seated and the pump bolts tightened(roughly 20 ft-lb.). You should be able to turn the small input shaft after the bolts are torqued. If not, something may not be right and you need to double check that everything is installed correctly.

You can now make sure the torque converter is full of fluid and carefully install it in the transmission. MAKE SURE THE CONVERTER IS COMPLETELY IN AND ENGAGED WITH THE TANGS ON THE PUMP.

tzfbird 03-17-2010 08:15 AM

Done with basic overview.

toyomoho 03-17-2010 10:59 AM

Thanks Tzfbird for the excellent post! Great photos and write up!

I learned a lot and assume other members will also.

As you state the internals just come apart in units to be worked on as required, this would make things much easier.

I take it parts such as the pump, gearing, etc have a long life and items such as the clutch plates get burned assuming due to low fluid level, high fluid temps and or never changing the fluid. Is this correct?

And if just changing clutch packs, etc, as you state you never need to get into the valve body and I assume diff housing?

I will keep you post on file for future reference. Many owners are willing to rebuild the engine but stop at auto trans repair, often buying a used one that may or may not be in any better shape.

Thanks again for post, great photos and write up!

Perhaps you can help with another CF member problem (member way2qwk4u). The car has an A140E trans.

The trans up shifts to the point of torque converter lockup. When the owner takes their foot off gas to come to a stop the RPM drops to below 1K and then the engine dies. He states the trans never down shifts.

If the owner puts the car into Neutral and restarts the engine the trans will work OK again until needing to down shift, then the problem repeats.

The trans is able to down shift if full throttle is applied.

States solenoids test OK and converter passed the stall test. No trouble codes.

He has runs some tests and states the ECU is never providing a signal to turn off the SL solenoid.

I gave him all the FSM links.

I suspect a valve is plugged inside the trans to prevent pressure relief, the torque converter one-way clutch is bad, maybe a bad ECU but would do a few more tests.

His posts are on this site.

Any opinions?

Thanks a lot

tzfbird 03-17-2010 08:05 PM

Well, don't take any of this as good yet. I got it all back together and the trans in the car and it moves, but must give quite a bit of throttle. I'm sure just the 20 feet I got it to move did quite a bit of damage to the new clutches. I did not set the shift cable that runs off the throttle per the procedure, so that's going to be the next thing to try first.
Tried pushing back into garage, but it feels as though the parking brake is dragging(which it's not).

Looks like trans is coming back out again though. If you remember at the bottom where I said that the input shaft was hard to turn... well, this may be the cause of it. Which is part of the reason I wanted to do this. But I mainly hoped it would work. I'm in the process of locating a hoist so I can pull the motor/trans out the top. We did this out at a salvage yard and had it pulled in around an hour, but that involved cutting wires and hoses instead of disconnecting them.

tzfbird 03-23-2010 01:09 PM

Well I was wrong. It is very helpful if you put in the correct amount of fluid. For some reason it doesn't want to move with half the required amount in it.

So, I'm going to say that the number one cause of transmission failure in these vehicles is oil starvation from running low. So I would say it's safe to say that the Forward Clutch pack (the set replaced in this post) is the first to go out. When this happens you will loose all forward movement.

Lucrative business #1:
*Pick up bad A140/A140E transmission
*Spend $30 for clutch set
*Install clutches
*Check solonoid valves/replace filter
*1-2 hours of labor
*Sell For $250 for $100-$200 profit
Who doesn't like to make $50-100/hour while waiting for your clothes to dry?

armandjones82 03-10-2011 08:27 PM

If I may add up something here, like with what i found here. I think this would definitely help you out in making things work out and it would help you out in a lot of way on the transmission change.

wstyszka 03-29-2011 09:38 PM

Does anyone know where I can locate a lockup solenoid (sometimes known as a SL solenoid, or maybe Solenoid #3) for a 1998 Camry 4 cyl A140 transaxle?

jackdaniel220 04-22-2011 07:19 AM

I have found a lot of useful information from this particular place. I am having a great time around here. Keep up doing the good work.

evaporation 09-23-2011 08:04 PM

help with the last step...
 
I'm bolting my pump back on and the center shaft is rotating free untill the very last bit of tightening. At that point it become impossible to turn.

I should mention, that the tranny is still in the car. I have the engine out for repairs, and wanted to replace the front tranny seal. I removed the pump to do this. So now I am trying to get the pump back on.

I did not remove the band apply piston. Is that my problem???

tzfbird 09-26-2011 06:54 AM

No, I had that same problem except it was just a lot harder to turn than before I started.

My thought in your case is that maybe the input shaft/drum had tipped down and some of the clutches inside have disengaged. Have you tried jiggling/rotating and pushing on the shaft(with pump removed) in case something has become misaligned? As you can tell in the pics I had everything vertical, so I can't imagine doing it that way.
Just make sure the shaft can still rotate when it is back together. You can try for a half hour to get something together in a transmission, take a break and when you get back it just falls into place. One instance where stress gets you nowhere very fast.

evaporation 09-27-2011 08:02 PM

Thanks for help tzfbird. I finally realized that in order to do this right I needed to have the unit vertical. So with the engine already out, it was quite easy to pull the transmission.

Once I got it vertical, I was more comfortable with pulling things out and examining how it all fit together. I found that my trouble was a spacer that needed to be properly aligned into 3 notches on the first hub. Because of this, that first hub needs to be assembled "up-side down" and then lowered into the transmission as a complete unit by the input shaft. After I got that right, things rotate free and easy. Whew! I got more than I bargained for on that one.

Your pics and comments here were a great help. Thanks again.

full house 09-27-2011 08:16 PM

its getting complicated once your done with the unit and now the spacer.. I suggest find a good service that could do all the job.

OldElPaseo 01-08-2012 11:28 AM

Hi.
i just put a post concerning this but thought i might get a quicker response if i ask you directly.
I have now taken apart the 140e from my wifes camry. everything other than the front pump seem in great shape (im suprised for a 250 km car ).
i wanted to know if i can take the front pump from my a241e tranny from my celica. i want to know before i take it appart since its still on my car and if i take that one i will be taking the bus for 3 moths (long story).
tanks for your help.
For more details check out my post from 2 hours ago
Ccelica tranny on a Ccamry ? (auto) - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

Thanks

a worried man:confused:

OldElPaseo 01-08-2012 11:29 AM

i also ''might'' need the torque converter. are those the same ?
i thing the a140 one on the camry might be broken. my fault...

toyomoho 01-08-2012 08:44 PM

Don't know.

The manual for the A241E is below:
http://discodan.org/gfx/celica/servi...chassis/at.pdf
The A140E:
http://www.turboninjas.com/camry/ax1.pdf

The A140E converter is not listed with the A241E at parts sites.

Might compare the weights of the cars and engine HP as this would effect trans type used. The A241E is stated by Toyota to be exclusive to the Celica, Why?

Can call a Toyota parts department and ask if A140E and A241E have same pump part number assuming still listed.

OldElPaseo 01-09-2012 05:38 AM

damn. i just bought the a140 manual online :mad:... oh well

my celica is about 200 kg heavier than the camry but its a convertible so that might be why. the tranny might be exclusive to celica because its does shift harder and feel sportier wich might annoy camry owners wich is more of a luxury car.
Also the camry has hp less because of the balance shaft on the crankshaft ( wich i did not put in the new camry engine).
Today i will go to a tranny shop and have em inspect the torque converter. i will also ask for the oil pump gear, hope they can help me.

toyomoho 01-09-2012 02:00 PM

Suggest an internet search. Your swap may be the first. Some posts state that A241E is stronger then the other, others state the opposite so?

Apparently the trans parts are different. Plus gearing.

Make sure both cars have the same type of trans computer as in combined with engine ECU or separate.

OldElPaseo 01-10-2012 05:21 AM

I don't know which one is better, but the A140 (camry) is in very good shape, the clutches and band are almost like new, not scratches on bearings, i was surprised for a 250 Km car. I found the oil pump for 75$ and the torque converter is still good. so i will put everything back together today.

i asked the tranny guy if our parts are compatible. he said since they're both A series transmissions the major components should be the same, but smaller components will probably be different.

toyomoho 01-10-2012 10:58 AM

Post back on you results.

OldElPaseo 01-11-2012 04:48 PM

for now i got the new oil pump. i just have to put everything back together and then install it on the engine wich is the the engine hoist. but its like -20 outside and garage does not have much heat, so i will do it this weekend. i will keep you updated on everything :)

OldElPaseo 01-14-2012 07:04 PM

i just rebuild the engine on my carmy 5sfe. and now the tranny leaks a LOT from the bellhousing, so either oil pump or converter. i think ill keep the engine and send the rest to the junk. buy a standard tranny car. this really sucks, so much work for nothin, im out of patience on this car.

toyomoho 01-14-2012 07:30 PM

Very understandable wanting to get rid of the car at this time.

OldElPaseo 01-15-2012 06:42 AM

At least i'll have an entirely new and slightly modified 5sfe engine for my celica. since i port and polished the engine head, should be very nice... still sucks, i liked the camry, when the weather wasnt good to put the roof down on the celica, the camry was a great car.
i guess my wife will have to get a new car now, i tried my best... bye bye camry, r.i.p:(

toyomoho 01-15-2012 12:59 PM

Before putting the engine in the Celica might think about removing the balance shafts. The Celica did not have these shafts to allow a degree of extra performance.

You will need to plug the oil hole for the shafts.

There are various post on the internet about doing this.

OldElPaseo 01-16-2012 05:21 AM

the engine i put in the camry is a spare celica engine i had.so there are no balance shafts. i also port and polished the engine head. so performance in the camry should have been interesting.
I might remove the tranny and see whats goin on, i really lost patience on the camry, but another car means problems to fix again so... ah damn it. ill see what ill do tonight.

toyomoho 01-16-2012 10:42 AM

Sometimes when things are going not right it's best to take a break then hit the problem again when ones enthusiasm has returned.

Might check the trans input shaft seal which can get out place during installation, see shop manual for details.

OldElPaseo 01-17-2012 05:22 AM

the problem right now is that its like -25 C. So my garage is warm, the floor floor is very cold. Do you know if i can just remove the tranny without the engine from the top ? its seems like it would work and be a lot easier, at least i wouldnt have to freeze my ass on a cold cement floor as much.

toyomoho 01-17-2012 05:16 PM

-25C! You have my sympathies.

There may not be enough lateral room to pull the trans off and out with the engine still in the car as never heard about this being done.

You can pull both engine and trans out from the top.

OldElPaseo 01-18-2012 05:28 AM

yeah but then have disconnect and reconnect the wire harness and all hoses. and that's a real pain in the frozen ass :p ill try it, if it doesn't work ill just lower it to the cold floor and pull it out. sure hope it works.

OldElPaseo 02-07-2012 05:38 AM

it didnt work. i had to pull the whole engine out again and remove the tranny. i put one from the junkyard. it worked perfect for a week and now nothin works all of a sudden. car doesnt move and speedometer goes up? so screw it, its goin to the recycler. and ill keep the engine for my celica.
Last time i touch an automatic tranny, ill stick to the stickshift... so much simpler and forgiving.

toyomoho 02-07-2012 10:06 AM

Yes, too much work.

The speedometer drive gear is attached to the differential carrier housing where the axles plug in. Make sure the axles are still firmly installed into the carrier. It does happen if not firmly pushed in one may pop out.

Raise the front end up and with trans is Park attempt to rotate the tires. If they rotate easily in Park there is a problem perhaps in diff or axle/diff connections.

Typically diff failures results in the diff ring gear not rotating and with this no speedometer indication.

OldElPaseo 02-10-2012 05:35 AM

holy crap don't i feel stupid. i forgot to put in the driveshaft center bearing lock bolt. so it came out.
i put in back in, added oil and ''voila'' good as new.
Please note... I.O.U : a big beer

toyomoho 02-10-2012 11:24 AM

Good job, persistence does pay off!

Suggest you find someplace warm and raise a glass or two to celebrate. You deserve it after this much effort!

OldElPaseo 02-11-2012 09:00 AM

oh god yeah. and to think this is my wifes car... i put all this work and its not even mine.... Ahhh :) now i can take appart my 93 celica convertible, i will rebuild the engine on it (same as camry 2.2 5sfe ). but this one is being converted to a 5 spd manual tranny. much better for a sporty car.
But the camry i must admit, great car, i did a long 3 hour road trip alone with it yesterday (ok my small dog was with me ). and its really quiet, smooth. huge trunk, great car.
i just wish the seats were better, apparently the v6 came with much better seats. ill check out if i can find some beige ones for my wife.
Thanks a lot for all the help ;)

toyomoho 02-11-2012 12:03 PM

Relationships and car repair often go hand in hand.


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