2012 Toyota U760E Transmission Shudder ALL TOYOTA OWNERS READ
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Thank you for your detailed post. I am sorry to hear you are having issues with your Toyota Camry. It is frustrating when you have a car that is less than 8 years old with such low mileage and needs a new transmission. I can understand why you would be considering a class action lawsuit. I would keep all your service receipts and documents related to this vehicle in a file. I would also save $4000 for a transmission rebuild as I started saving 20000$ for a new Nissan Silvia. I hope that you can get your car fixed soon and that the issue does not become worse. Thank you again for sharing your experience with us.
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I am also a victim to this. 2014 Camry, 120,000 developed a minor shudder and just missed the warranty window. I was quoted 3600k for TC but warned this may not fix the problem so now I am being quoted 6700k by Toyota for transmission replacement. This whole thing extremally disappointing and hoping someone starts a class action soon.
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2012 Toyota U760E Transmission Shudder ALL TOYOTA OWNERS READ
CAR: 2012 Toyota Camry LE, 2.5-liter four-cylinder gasoline engine, U760E SIX-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION.
MILEAGE: 95,850 (you are seeing this correct a one owner Toyota Camry with less than 100K miles that needs a new transmission)
AGE: 8.5 YEARS (I bought it new in 2012)
PROBLEM: 2012 Toyota Camry Transmission Shudder (diagnosed at Principle Toyota by the dealers service department)(they also ran a glycol test which was negative).
SOLUTIONS: Torque Converter Replacement at Toyota Service Department $2310.25 includes tax (warranty 1yr 12K miles).
Transmission Replacement (remanufactured) at Toyota Service Department $7116.09 includes tax (warranty 1yr 12K miles).
Rebuild existing Transmission at local transmission shop $3800 (only called on phone and got approximate estimate) includes tax (warranty 2yr 24K miles).
Hindsight 20/20: If you have a 2012 - 2014 Toyota Camry you will not be able to tell that your car has an issue unless you are a mechanic yourself and if you are you may still not realize it as the shudder is very slight. I am just realizing that my car had this issue when I bought it new. I took it to the dealer at 25K and they only did the software update and did not replace the torque converter. If you have one of these cars that is less than 8 years old and with less than 150K call the dealer ASAP and force them to replace the torque converter as it is under warranty (no matter what the dealer tells you). If your Camry is older than 8 years or has more than 150K miles go to the dealer ASAP and get them to change the transmission fluid and filter (no matter what the dealer tells you). Unfortunately, the service manual for this car says that the transmission has a lifetime fluid and there is no service intervals for changing the fluid and filter on this transmission. You will have to take this into your own hands and start getting the fluid and filter changed on the transmission every 30K miles (no matter what the dealer tells you). Save all of your service receipts on this vehicle and never throw them away even if you no longer own this car. Keep a copy of the title if you sale the car. Start a file and make detailed notes of your experience with this vehicle and put all documents related to this vehicle in the file and never throw them away (I believe that this issue will become a class action lawsuit). You should also start to save $4000 to get the transmission rebuild as there is nothing that will help this transmission in the long-term (keep your receipts and put them in your file).
I hope that you will leave this posted on your web-site as is because, I believe that the transmission issue that I am having with my 2012 Toyota Camry is larger than just the 795K 2012 - 2014 Camry's that Toyota is saying it effects and that it is a not an issue but a bad design that is affecting approximately 15 million Toyota's that are on the road today with the U760E, U760F, U660E, and U660F.
If you look on-line for Toyota Camry transmission shudder you will find this issue everywhere. You can also search U760E and find all makes and models with this transmission and put in the make and model along with transmission problem and will see this come up on all vehicles with this transmission. I think if you do some research online and check the Toyota forums you will find this popping up on all of the Toyota's with these transmissions from 2010 to 2019. My hope that posting this will help to save just one person some money on the Shell Game Toyota is running on their customers.
Reason for the shell game at Toyota: 795,000 Camry's effected per LSC E03
Replace all 795,000 torque converters = $1,836,648,750.00 (billion)
Replace all transmissions with a remanufactured transmission = $5,657,291,550.00 (billion)
Below in bold is the exact letter that I emailed to the service director at the dealership and to Toyota corporate:
Toyota new spin on an old favorite, "The Shell Game"!
I was curious last night what transmission my Toyota Camry has on it. From my few hours research online last night I found it was the U760E. I attached some rough numbers I looked up on Wikipedia last night on the potential total vehicles that could have this U760E. This seems to be more than likely the most common transmission on all of the Toyotas that were 4 cylinders. However, I will concede that some do have the U760F, U660E, and U660F. However, from my limited research I believe that all four of these transmissions are somewhat similar and share many of the same attributes. I did not pull the numbers on potential cars that have the U760F, U660E, and U660F as it would have just added to the already surprising number of vehicles this transmission shudder probably actually effects. The Toyota on-line forums are filled with this transmission shudder issue on all the Toyota's year and model that are on this spread sheet. I now understand why I got the shell game ran on me in 2015 and how it was done.
Shell Game
Toyota admits there is a problem with the transmission by issuing in October 2014 Limited Service Campaign E03 to only update the software. Then the next month in November 2014 start mailing letters to the customer saying we have just issued Warranty Enhancement Notification - ZE5 to do three things, put in a new torque converter, additional transmission pan magnets, and update the software. This puts both LSC E03 and WEN ZE5 in play at the same time for the same transmission issue. I received my letter for WEN ZE5 in the mail. I call and set up an appointment for WEN ZE5 and in good faith walk into my local Toyota service department Principal Toyota Memphis, TN in March of 2015 with my WEN ZE5 letter in my hand and say I am here to get WEN ZE5 taken care of. In good faith I pick up my car thinking that WEN ZE5 has been taken care of. However, it turns out that what was done was LSC E03 and not WEN ZE5.
You should probably hurry up and reach your verdict as in only a few days of research online and a few hours spent calculating numbers on the attached Excel Spreadsheet I am starting to uncover something that seems to have been going on for some time and is still going on today as there are plenty of cars still on the road with U760E that are covered under WEN ZE5 and are currently still getting the Shell Game ran on them.
What I am starting to find out as I call other transmission repair shops today and start to do more research is that with the transmission shudder issue that occurs in the U760E replacing the torque converter is only a patch and not a proper repair. The proper repair should be rebuilt or replaced the transmission on all vehicles with U760E that experience this issue as well as on my 2012 Toyota Camry.
I am sure if I research more it will be the same with the other transmissions in this series U760F, U660E, and U660F.
I am going to post this on all Toyota/vehicle forums that I can find to help get the word out. My plan is to spend the $4000 and get the transmission rebuilt this week or next (then file in small claims court to try to recover this expense). This is my wives garage kept car that she needs to go to her job as a nurse. Right now, I am driving her to work in my more reliable 2003 Chevy Trailblazer with 165K miles on it that I bought new in 2003. It has never had to have the transmission or engine replaced.
Regards,
Live Free or buy a New Toyota
CAR: 2012 Toyota Camry LE, 2.5-liter four-cylinder gasoline engine, U760E SIX-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION.
MILEAGE: 95,850 (you are seeing this correct a one owner Toyota Camry with less than 100K miles that needs a new transmission)
AGE: 8.5 YEARS (I bought it new in 2012)
PROBLEM: 2012 Toyota Camry Transmission Shudder (diagnosed at Principle Toyota by the dealers service department)(they also ran a glycol test which was negative).
SOLUTIONS: Torque Converter Replacement at Toyota Service Department $2310.25 includes tax (warranty 1yr 12K miles).
Transmission Replacement (remanufactured) at Toyota Service Department $7116.09 includes tax (warranty 1yr 12K miles).
Rebuild existing Transmission at local transmission shop $3800 (only called on phone and got approximate estimate) includes tax (warranty 2yr 24K miles).
Hindsight 20/20: If you have a 2012 - 2014 Toyota Camry you will not be able to tell that your car has an issue unless you are a mechanic yourself and if you are you may still not realize it as the shudder is very slight. I am just realizing that my car had this issue when I bought it new. I took it to the dealer at 25K and they only did the software update and did not replace the torque converter. If you have one of these cars that is less than 8 years old and with less than 150K call the dealer ASAP and force them to replace the torque converter as it is under warranty (no matter what the dealer tells you). If your Camry is older than 8 years or has more than 150K miles go to the dealer ASAP and get them to change the transmission fluid and filter (no matter what the dealer tells you). Unfortunately, the service manual for this car says that the transmission has a lifetime fluid and there is no service intervals for changing the fluid and filter on this transmission. You will have to take this into your own hands and start getting the fluid and filter changed on the transmission every 30K miles (no matter what the dealer tells you). Save all of your service receipts on this vehicle and never throw them away even if you no longer own this car. Keep a copy of the title if you sale the car. Start a file and make detailed notes of your experience with this vehicle and put all documents related to this vehicle in the file and never throw them away (I believe that this issue will become a class action lawsuit). You should also start to save $4000 to get the transmission rebuild as there is nothing that will help this transmission in the long-term (keep your receipts and put them in your file).
I hope that you will leave this posted on your web-site as is because, I believe that the transmission issue that I am having with my 2012 Toyota Camry is larger than just the 795K 2012 - 2014 Camry's that Toyota is saying it effects and that it is a not an issue but a bad design that is affecting approximately 15 million Toyota's that are on the road today with the U760E, U760F, U660E, and U660F.
If you look on-line for Toyota Camry transmission shudder you will find this issue everywhere. You can also search U760E and find all makes and models with this transmission and put in the make and model along with transmission problem and will see this come up on all vehicles with this transmission. I think if you do some research online and check the Toyota forums you will find this popping up on all of the Toyota's with these transmissions from 2010 to 2019. My hope that posting this will help to save just one person some money on the Shell Game Toyota is running on their customers.
Reason for the shell game at Toyota: 795,000 Camry's effected per LSC E03
Replace all 795,000 torque converters = $1,836,648,750.00 (billion)
Replace all transmissions with a remanufactured transmission = $5,657,291,550.00 (billion)
Below in bold is the exact letter that I emailed to the service director at the dealership and to Toyota corporate:
Toyota new spin on an old favorite, "The Shell Game"!
I was curious last night what transmission my Toyota Camry has on it. From my few hours research online last night I found it was the U760E. I attached some rough numbers I looked up on Wikipedia last night on the potential total vehicles that could have this U760E. This seems to be more than likely the most common transmission on all of the Toyotas that were 4 cylinders. However, I will concede that some do have the U760F, U660E, and U660F. However, from my limited research I believe that all four of these transmissions are somewhat similar and share many of the same attributes. I did not pull the numbers on potential cars that have the U760F, U660E, and U660F as it would have just added to the already surprising number of vehicles this transmission shudder probably actually effects. The Toyota on-line forums are filled with this transmission shudder issue on all the Toyota's year and model that are on this spread sheet. I now understand why I got the shell game ran on me in 2015 and how it was done.
Shell Game
Toyota admits there is a problem with the transmission by issuing in October 2014 Limited Service Campaign E03 to only update the software. Then the next month in November 2014 start mailing letters to the customer saying we have just issued Warranty Enhancement Notification - ZE5 to do three things, put in a new torque converter, additional transmission pan magnets, and update the software. This puts both LSC E03 and WEN ZE5 in play at the same time for the same transmission issue. I received my letter for WEN ZE5 in the mail. I call and set up an appointment for WEN ZE5 and in good faith walk into my local Toyota service department Principal Toyota Memphis, TN in March of 2015 with my WEN ZE5 letter in my hand and say I am here to get WEN ZE5 taken care of. In good faith I pick up my car thinking that WEN ZE5 has been taken care of. However, it turns out that what was done was LSC E03 and not WEN ZE5.
You should probably hurry up and reach your verdict as in only a few days of research online and a few hours spent calculating numbers on the attached Excel Spreadsheet I am starting to uncover something that seems to have been going on for some time and is still going on today as there are plenty of cars still on the road with U760E that are covered under WEN ZE5 and are currently still getting the Shell Game ran on them.
What I am starting to find out as I call other transmission repair shops today and start to do more research is that with the transmission shudder issue that occurs in the U760E replacing the torque converter is only a patch and not a proper repair. The proper repair should be rebuilt or replaced the transmission on all vehicles with U760E that experience this issue as well as on my 2012 Toyota Camry.
I am sure if I research more it will be the same with the other transmissions in this series U760F, U660E, and U660F.
I am going to post this on all Toyota/vehicle forums that I can find to help get the word out. My plan is to spend the $4000 and get the transmission rebuilt this week or next (then file in small claims court to try to recover this expense). This is my wives garage kept car that she needs to go to her job as a nurse. Right now, I am driving her to work in my more reliable 2003 Chevy Trailblazer with 165K miles on it that I bought new in 2003. It has never had to have the transmission or engine replaced.
Regards,
Live Free or buy a New Toyota
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I am sorry this took me a while to get back to but my story has a happy ending. I was very mad about what I went through with my Toyota Camry and just now am I able to come back and post about it. I finally decided I needed to do this because it could help someone else who has had the same issues with their 2012 Toyota Camry transmission and save them money (while also keeping it out of Toyota's hands). If you read my original post you will know why I was upset. I still can't get over the fact that two different Toyota dealerships told me the same thing that the transmission was out of warranty and would need to be replaced. While I was in the middle of this fiasco I took the car to CarMax to see about a trade and got told that the Carfax said I was the second owner of the car. The car had a couple hundred miles on it when I bought it. Come to find out they sold me a used car as a new car. I have always hated going into a car dealership and I now hate them even more. OK, so to the happy ending. After changing the transmission fluid myself twice in the car. I drove the car until it got so bad I thought it was going to stop running and leave me on the side of the road. I finally decided to take it to a transmission repair shop to get a quote on having them rebuild the transmission. The shop manager said leave it with him and he would call me after he diagnosed it. He called me 15 minutes later and told me to come pick up the car their was nothing wrong with it. He said he reset the computer on the car and the shutter went away. I came right back because I could not believe after the car had been to two dealerships and set for multiple days that they had not done this simple fix. He said maybe they were trying to get your money or it could be that all the new mechanics hook the car up to a computer and wait on it to give them a code and they only do what the repair is for the code that comes up. No code equals buy a new car or replace the transmission. Basically what he is saying is no one can use any common sense or think for themselves any more. When I got in the car and drove it home I could not believe it. It ran better than when I bought it new. I did however run into another issue the next day. I drove the car to the store and when I was in the parking lot it died. When I got the car home it died again. Then I could start it but it would not idle. I searched the internet and found a youtube video on how to reset the idle on a Toyota Camry and that fixed all of my problems. I am still driving it to this day and have not had to do anything else to the transmission. It turns out the car has been a good car to this date now that the transmission issue was fixed for a couple hundred dollars worth of transmission fluid. However two Toyota dealerships told me to replace the transmission and wasted a ton of my time (I really feel for all the people that Toyota took advantage of and had to get a new transmission). Just to summarize, I would say as of this date and time the car has been a good reliable car. However, all the people who work for Toyota that I have dealt with are snakes! Good luck at the Vipers Den/Toyota Dealership!
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I am so glad that you were able to get this resolved. I am in the same spot you are in only my Toyota is a 2014 and has 182K miles. The shutter started about 8 months ago. It is not bad, but it is getting worse. I am talking with Toyota, but now I am thinking I might need to go somewhere else. Your thoughts since you have been through this 
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IMO: With 182K miles I would go to a transmission shop and have them change the transmission fluid. I changed mine myself twice and that did not fix the problem but, I would still get it changed. Call ahead and ask the transmission shop if they will reset the computer after they change the fluid. You will also need to reset the idle (I found a video on Youtube) or at least this is the things that I did to fix mine. You could probably go on line and find a video of how to reset the computer yourself if you want to try and see if you can fix it for free with no out of pocket cost. I hope this helps. If mine ever starts to act up again I will figure out how to reset the computer myself and then reset the idle. If that doesn't work I will go back to the transmission shop that helped me before and see what they think since I know I can trust them.
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